On today’s show, Pat welcomes former Packer great, Super Bowl Champion, partner in the booth, and friend of the show, AJ Hawk, for the debut of a new segment. They cover Pat’s NFL broadcasting debut and what AJ heard from some of his friends still playing on the Packers. They also discuss the two playoff matchups this weekend, and chat about what AJ has been doing recently, what he wants his endgame to be professionally, and why he isn’t a fan of debate shows on TV (2:07-37:26). Later, Pat and the guys discuss some things that are going on in the world including a potential new comedy tour, a few things that they didn’t know about Zito, they chat about dogs and some of the other creatures that are roaming around the McAfee estate, and do a quick check-in on the weight loss challenge. Plus Pat tells a few more stories about Chuck Pagano when they first met each other. It’s a good one, come and laugh with us. Cheers.
Forever in the NFL it seemed like when these coaching positions came open in the NFL that teams would just hire a coach that had been around the league and had been a mediocre head coach at multiple other places because they were afraid to go outside of the NFL box and take a risk on a hire. It seems as if Sean McVay being successful has changed that. Besides Bruce Arians to Tampa it has been all new head coaches that are being hired in the NFL. I’m also fine with Bruce because he is a really good coach. He’s not some bum who has been mediocre his entire career. Every other coach that has been hired so far though is going to be a first time NFL Head Coach.
The Coaches that have been hired so far are:
- Vic Fangio
- Freddie Kitchens
- Kliff Kingsbury
- Matt LaFleur
- Bruce Arians
- Rumored Matt Rhule to the Jets
I get that not all of these guys are going to work out and some of them may be terrible NFL coaches but at least teams are taking a chance instead of playing it safe with a guy who has been a career 500 coach. Also pretty happy that Freddie Kitchens got hired because after Kliff Kingsbury I was worried that the league was starting to only hire good looking coaches. Glad there is still a place in this league for out of shape guys. The players are already people that we can’t associate with in anyway because they are athletic freaks. We don’t need the same thing happening with coaches.
It will be interesting to see if the rest of the teams this offseason follow suit with newer coaches or if they fall back to hiring someone who has been a head coach in the league before and was obviously fired at some point.
Also congrats to the Browns on not fucking it up and keeping Freddie Kitchens with Baker Mayfield.
First things first. I understand Matt LaFleur shares a last name with Peter LaFleur of Dodgeball fame. Stop sending me “cram it up your cram hole, LaFleur,” .gifs. I get it. Now if you wanted to make your own meme about the situation, that may be another story…
Anyways, I don’t really know how I feel about this hire. My gut reaction was not great:
Yes, I understand LaFleur comes from the Shanahan/McVay coaching tree, but why is that a guarantee that LaFleur is a wunderkind the likes of McVay? It doesn’t. It means he soaked up some things from McVay and Shanahan while working under them, but those guys are both calling the shots, and calling ALL the plays for their respective teams while he was on staff, regardless of what his coaching title was. I understand the Titans personnel this past season wasn’t great, but I don’t know if that gives a free pass to excuse everything and act like he’s going to be the second coming of Bill Walsh. I’m not saying he won’t be good, literally no one knows if he will be, I just didn’t think the Packers would be the first team dipping their toes into the water with a new coach. Didn’t even conduct a second round of interviews. He impressed them enough to have them just say “FUCK IT, HE’S OUR GUY!” A lot of former players are saying they love this hire, so I guess that’s a good sign?
Realistically, I was probably going to bitch regardless of who the Packers hired if it wasn’t Bruce Arians. I wanted him baaaaaaaad. And I undoubtedly still have a very sour taste in my mouth from the way the season ended. The thing that bothers me the most is LaFleur wanting to keep Mike Pettine around. I understand. He only had a year, but how do we know this guy shouldn’t be pushing a fucking broom somewhere? He looks like a football coach, and as of now, that might be the only reason he’s still getting looks and holding down jobs and not snaking toilets.
Outside of everything that I just said, I’m going to reserve judgement until I see what kind of plays and schemes LaFleur is cooking up next year. If they really believe that he’s the guy to get Rodgers back to an MVP season and in turn, the Packers into the playoffs, then so be it. That would be incredible. If he crashes and burns and the Packers suck phallus for the next three years, that would be undesirable, but at that point you’d drain the swamp and get rid of everyone including GM Brian Gutekunst (jury is still out on whether or not he knows what the fuck he’s doing).
That’s about as much optimism that you’re going to get out of me, but I’m going to take it a day at a time. Two first round draft picks, a lot of cap room, and a new coach who is either an offensive genius, or some guy who has slept on Sean McVay’s couch a couple of times. Only time will tell.
Interesting couple of choices here for the Packers Head Coaching vacancy. Granted, when it comes to stuff like this, no one outside of that building knows what the hell is going on. I for one, would be shocked if the Packers hired a current college coach. Just can’t see it happening. There was a lot of talk about Kliff Kingsbury, but today it was confirmed he’s heading to USC to take their OC job.
Pat Fitzgerald kind of came out of nowhere, I assume someone more intimate with the situation knows a lot more than I do, but that’s another one that just doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen. Jumping from Northwestern to the Packers is a pretty fucking massive jump.
One name absent from this list, and a guy who I would personally love to see Aaron Rodgers under the tutelage of, and who every other Packer fan should be salivating at the thought of landing in Green Bay:
It almost makes too much sense. Offensive genius who has worked with some of the most elite quarterbacks in the NFL, guy who is intense in right ways and won’t lose the locker room, a players coach who isn’t going to get his ass mowed down by anyone, a guy who was gritty enough to drink paint and have his stomach pumped growing up, he’s got all the prerequisites I’m looking for when it comes to a leader of men. We’ve talked about it on for a couple weeks now, I don’t think BA is happy doing games in the booth anymore. He lives, eats, and breathes football, and I think he needs to get back into a football building as soon as possible. Josh McDaniels is a snake, and I just don’t really want him in Green Bay. Not to mention he was absolute dog shit when he was in Denver. Doing a little one-two on the Colts this last offseason was all I needed to see. Leave him in New England.
Actually there we go, I just talked myself into it, and I don’t want anyone else. Give me a guy who’s going to motherfuck zebras and wear a Kangol hat on the sidelines. He is officially the only option moving forward. It’s BA or bust, folks.
Well Pat, I feel pretty fucking great. I’ve wanted the Packers to fire Mike McCarthy for at least the last 5 years. In my opinion, no other coach in the last 20+ years has done less with more. Aaron Rodgers has covered so many of his deficiencies during their time together that it makes my brain want to explode just thinking about it. Rodgers hasn’t been great this year. His statistics wouldn’t necessarily say so, but he has routinely missed several throws this year that he never does. I’ve been saying it for weeks now on The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 (which you can listen to here), I think Rodgers has purposefully been tanking to ensure that the Packers took McCarthy out behind the woodshed and put him down. Hear me out. Rodgers just turned 35, and has maybe another 5 elite years left in him before his skillset starts to diminish a little bit. This season is lost, it was officially done for last week. The Packers have looked like shit for the past several weeks, but anyone who is a Packers fan understands they don’t typically make these types of decisions until the end of the season. What better way than by intentionally losing to a piss poor 2-8 Arizona Cardinals team in December, at Lambeau. That would undoubtedly put the final nail in Mike McCarthy’s cheese curd and bratwurst filled coffin.
Now listen, I could go on and on about McCarthy’s weight and shovel 500 more pounds of shit onto his lifeless body, but I’m not going to do that. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. Namely who the next football coach is going to be. Some are saying Josh McDaniels, some are saying Bruce Arians. Both of these choices would make me ecstatic, but I’m not going to get ahead of myself. As long as the next hire doesn’t come from within the building, I’m good. Still need to drain the swamp. Get rid of Pettine, get rid of Zook, don’t hire Philbin when the season is over. You need to make sure that the next 5 years of Rodgers’ career are his best yet.
As for McCarthy.. good riddance. It makes it that much sweeter knowing he didn’t see it coming.
What a jackass. Literally the only guy within 2,000 miles who couldn’t see it coming, and that has been the problem. The guy was just so fucking ignorant. Of course now you’ll hear all the stories about how great of a guy he was behind closed doors and off the record, and that’s fine. But he lost the locker room years ago, and thus, lost Rome. But before you go, here’s a little Christmas gift for you, Mike.
Last night, in what was maybe the most anticipated matchup of the regular season, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers squared off in Foxborough for only the second time in their careers. To avoid hearing me just pout, bitch, and complain, I figured I’d ask Connor to tag team this with me so you guys could hear two very different perspectives from last night. Connor, your thoughts?
Connor: Last night was one of the closer blowouts for the Patriots in recent memory. Rodgers strolled into town with half a defense and left with trash cans playing deep for the old Pack. This was one of those games that didn’t have me too worried at any point, but expected a fourth quarter fiasco as the Patriots have done time and time again. Josh Gordon is finally starting to click with the offense. He made a ridiculous catch along the sideline that was ruled incomplete cause half his toe was out of bounds but the guy is going to turn into the premier receiver for us (need to extend his contract). It’s going to be scary when Josh Gordon, Rob Gronk, and Edelman are all running out for passes. Cordarrelle Patterson looked like a bigger, healthier, Darren McFadden. If he starts to be a premier back for us, the Kansas City vs New England AFC championship will be a point scoring record breaker.
Ty: I don’t even know where to start. The Packers were going to have to play an absolutely perfect game in order to beat the Patriots. Banged up secondary, banged up offensive line, there was absolutely zero room for error. Rodgers and the Packers traded punches with the Pats early, but it never really felt like they were in a position to seize momentum. It was nice to see that the glaring hole left by HaHa Clinton-Dix didn’t come back to bite the Packers in the ass either. Oh, never mind, yes it did. With no depth in the secondary, it was great getting those guys chomping at the bit to get some game action slotted in there to get torched by Brady every step of the way. Also, maybe it’s just me, but sending a three man rush at Brady EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. so he has an hour to throw isn’t the best way to beat him, but what do I know, I’m not a defensive coordinator.
Connor: Chomping at the bit indeed Ty, perhaps even chomping at the bit a little too much. Jermaine Whitehead, one of the newest starters for the Packers trash can defense, got booted from the game towards the end of the second quarter. His reaction to the beginning of Patterson’s field day on the ground was not one that helps you, or the team, to stay in the game. Whitehead turned and smacked David Andrews, starting center for the Patriots, right in the facemark, something that probably rattled the cage of a lineman pretty bad. I’ve never understood the punching reaction in a football game. Unless you pull the Andre Johnson pull off the helmet move, there’s probably no reason to punch high. Maybe a gut shot would get the job done here, but again, you’re hitting an offensive lineman, a bat is needed to do any kind of damage against those cinder blocks of men. Personally, I don’t think this warrants an ejection, but as a referee in a primetime game, you’re not gonna let it get out of hand and start allowing hooks to fly left and right.
Ty: I couldn’t agree more, I think the ejection was chickenshit, but this is exactly the kind of stupidity the Packers pull to shoot themselves in the foot week after week. Even more concerning, Cordarrelle Patterson did more damage to the Packers last night than he did in EIGHT GAMES versus the Packers while playing for the Vikings.
Absolutely mind boggling. Dragging defenders behind him like he was Bo Jackson reincarnated.
The defense was just the tip of the iceberg last night. The offense also floundered in some big spots that could’ve turned the tides of the game.
Connor: The Patriots Defense has really picked up their play since the beginning of the season, but Rodgers was the real test. The Jones fumble to start the fourth quarter closed the coffin but the two touchdowns put the nail in it. Lawrence Guy was the left side defensive tackle with Jones running to the right. The pursuit and effort is what turns teams into championship contenders so you love to see this out of the big men up front. Stephon Gilmore held Davonte Adams to 6 catches and 40 yards. Adams scored, but we didn’t let him beat us and was locked up from making any big plays downfield. Gilmore has really turned into the guy we paid for. He’s been a lockdown man to man corner and having a guy like that on your team frees up players like Devin McCourty to go and help his twin brother. Kansas City is still the team that I mentally compete with throughout Sunday’s, but if our defense continues to play like we did in 2014, I like our chances in any stadium.
Ty: The Jones fumble was an absolute kick in the nutsack, no question about it. What I don’t like, was his usage leading up to that drive. Mike McCarthy has no idea how to use Aaron Jones. No idea whatsoever. At one point in the first half, Jones had 11 carries for 67 yards, and in turn was opening up the passing game for Rodgers. I’m all for putting the ball in Rodgers hands and letting him sling it around the field, but typically, when your Quarterback is on pace to throw 70 passes through the first half, it’s going to be tough to win. Now who knows what happens with Jones. Yes, that fumble was a backbreaker, but you have to respect the hell out of guy who owns up to it and doesn’t make excuses.
Once again, the play calling was piss poor. Same shit, different day. As long as that bumbling bag of dog feces Mike McCarthy is around, the Packers will continue to be out coached week after week. I’m embarrassed that I thought the Packers might be able to win last night, because a Belichick/McCarthy coaching matchup is akin to a lab rat trying to outsmart a lion.. it’s never going to end well.
This one hurts. Very badly. By all accounts, the Packers had no business losing that game to the Rams IN LA with a stadium packed full of Green Bay fans. Defense actually plays pretty well the entire game minus a couple hiccups against one of the best offenses in the NFL, Rodgers makes a couple of big throws when the team really needed him to; everything was lining up for another opportunity for #12 to showcase why you wan’t the ball in his hands late in the game.
…And then Ty Montgomery decides to play hero ball. According to reports, Montgomery threw a tantrum on the Packers previous drive for being pulled. Coaches apparently were VERY ADAMANT about having him take a knee in the end zone to ensure that the most talented quarterback on the planet would have an opportunity to the win the game. The locker room wasn’t pleased about it either.
This should’ve been a season defining win, instead it’s the same song and dance how they “aren’t quite there yet,” and need to “put together a complete game.” The players need to perform more consistently, yes, but in the end, it all comes down to coaching. If Mike McCarthy had almost any other quarterback in the NFL, he would’ve been shit canned years ago. Guy just seems to think he’s smarter than everyone and can outcoach anyone.
Excellent point. Anyone with a brain the size of a lab rat could’ve told you the Packers were going to lose after that, all momentum going into the half gone in the blink of an eye. The Packers can still get into the playoffs, but it’s tough to have any confidence that this team is going to be able to beat anyone. It’s time to drain the swamp in Green Bay and try to salvage the last couple great years of Rodgers’ career. I hear a certain someone is looking for work now too…
Rodgers and Davante Adams are the only thing about this team giving me any life going forward. Luckily next week is your run-of-the-mill bounce back game in New England, that one should be easy.